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the trojan names are greek the relegion is greek , the culture is greek , the trojan war is civil war greeks vs greeks

It is interesting that all Myceaneans attacks to invade a land were done when Hittites were in weak position or nearly ending point. Minoan Crete invading of Mycenaeans was done at 1.450. At that date Hittites were in dark age and has no power since throne fights. Normally Minoans should require support from Arzawa which was strongest state in Anatolia. Also other west Anatolians (Lycia, Caria, Troy) should set a coalition against Myceanaeans since their Aegean interests will be effected and they will be the next targets of Myceanaeans. There should be Archeological findings in or around Crete about this big war. Maybe it was a big naval battle. Also there could be diplomatic letter traffic between Minoans and Arzawa. I dont see any possibility that Arzawa didn’t do anything against this invasion as a big power. At that dates Arzawa has the power to defeat Hittites. Also Arzawa invaded Crete and Morea peninsula around bc 1.900 according to archeological findings.

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Just remove the word "greek' from ancient European history and history will start making sense.

It needs to be remembered that Ilios (Troy) was a commercial crossroads at the mouth of the Hellespont, so all sorts of people passed through or settled there. Likely Aeolian Hellenes had made their way there and it's not impossible they were among the ruling class. But Hittite, since Troy sat right on the edge of the vast Hittite Empire, may have been widely spoken; but Luwian was the lingua franca of the Hittite Empire (overtaking Hittite itself) so that may have been all that was needed. Just because Tyrrhenian was not Indo-European does not mean it would not have been spoken and the Tyrsenoi (as the Egyptians called the Tyrrhenians) were known to have dwelt on Limnos. So the inhabitants of Troy likely spoke many languages, like in most seaports, but I'd wager Luwian, Tyrhennian, and Aeolian Greek were predominant.

Perseus. Achilles is just a plot device to move the tragic story of the Iliad, and how Hector, the better man, dies.

Trojans Spoke a closer language to Gheg Albanian. Greeks came on 8 century as barbarians . There where no greeks untill 1831.

Mycenaean Greek. The Troyan war was a civil war. The importan thing is that Troy and Frygia in Asia Minor were establised and colonised in prehistory form people from northen Greece where the Greek Macedonia is, and only Greek and their name in macedonia was Brygia, the people were called Bryges, the B changed to F according to the evolution of the language. They were GREEKS with THRACIAN origin. Sources: Herodotous and the Greek born in Cicely Diodorous the Cecillian. The same people went to the contemporary Albania where they went down in history known as the Illyrians.....For the ancient Greeks Illyrian was a dialect of the Greek and an isolated branch of the Greeks.

Carian should be pronounced like the word "care" (not "car") followed by "ian".

Analysis for lidl .the have the same language the same castoms the same god's because the were both greeks

I am surprised that there is no wriiten literature let alone a complete library from Troy ever excavated. Granted, the invasive and crude archeological work by Schliemann may have bypassed any effort to look for any library.

“G.S.KIRK EMENTUS professor of Greek at Cambridge, 1974. Writes: The term “Greek “is full of ambiguity. Greek like Akkadians; denotes a language rather than people. The Greek speaking people began to enter the Greek peninsula shortly before 2000 BC, but they found an indigenous population that already had cultural and perhaps linguistic connection with ASIA Minor. ( page 276) “ Linguistics: Phrygia= Bir Goy/oy Turkish. Phrogos= Bir O OĞUZ. Turkish, Troy= House of Turs= House of Turks. Ionians= AY HANS. BILGAMESH EPICS is the only written piece in hand to turn over and over whichever concocted language but you always have the Turkish / TUR/ OĞUZ peoples language as a modal.

My gut feelings is a Luwic language with a substratum of the non Indoeuropean language spoken in the early Bronze Age in that region. But is without doing more detailed research, just based on reading general (and often older) books about the Bronze Age in the Near East, Anatolia, some Online sources and so on, Museum visits, etc. and not from actively hunting down papers about the topic.

Few things to understand discussing the topic. Now we are living in time of standartized languages which we're standartized between xviii and xix century. So we have dictionaries, pronunciation guidelines, schools, universities, media, etc. When we say that German is the only language spoken in Germany we are missing the fact that there are Berlinisch, Bayerisch, Schwäbisch, Sächsisch, Frisian etc. And they are related (all germanic, more than that Low East Germanic) but always quite mutually intelegable. The same situation mostlikely took place in the ancient Aegean and Anatolian region. When we are talking about old dead languages they either have writting record as Hetite or not as one spoken in Troy. What we can ask ourselves about was it somewhere indoeuropean or rather pre-indoeuropean. And when and If we can make sense of the original language of EEF which was spoken in Anatolia before indoeuropean language we could continue on this topic.

Hittite ritual texts were included also different languages. Scientists discovered new late bronze age languages in these texts as Palaic, Hattic, Luwian and Kalasma. Maybe futures newly found ritual texts could include Trojan Language. While Hittites religious ceremonies were happening vassal states representatives had to be ready there.

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Probably they spoke a luvian language. Hittites tablets say the kings of the city were Luvian.

Interesting material, and I managed to listen to the end, but that unvarying intonation was mighty wearing. Oh, for a live reader. This reader seems at least to have been trained in standard pronunciation. While I’m oh-ing, oh for more time having been spent in this lifetime on things like this.

The Trojan war is not about Greeks and Trojans, only the westerns translate it in that way. The Greeks as my self we learnrd the Iliad as the Homer writing and describe the war between Acheans and Trojan's. The term Greek arive from hero Grekos (old man) and this is the roman exonim for the Hellenes in historical period. The ethnotic term Hellas mentioned in Iliad as a city area in Thessaly who was part of kingdom of Achilles.

Homer and euripides call the troans phrygians, but this is probaby inaccurate, because they didn’t appear till the era of homer, they didn’t exist yet in the bronze age

My assumption is that Trojans spoke Luwian as other western Anatolians. But since Myceanean influence increased in western Anatolia after bc 1250 there could be Myceaneans rulers there. But All those questions regarding the late bronze age Agean region civilisations would be answered if Arzawa clay tablet archieve found. Because we know that Arzawa had regular diplomatic letter traffic with Egypt and Hittites. Arzawa archieve most probably includes more informations regarding the Aegean and Anatolian region.

No Turk has yet appeared to say that they spoke Turkish and that the Trojans were Turks ?? 😂

Trojanet e kan folur gjuhen e vjeter te Dardaneve te, te cilen gjuhe sot e flasin shqiptaret e Kosoves, e me vone eshte perhapur edhe tek shqiptaret e Shqiperise!

Macedonia was Macedonia , the word Greek or Greece never existed at the time , Macedonia wasn't part of any country , but rulers . 338bc Macedonian army smashed through to athens , Not sure why modern day Greeks are trying to steal Macedonian history as their own lol . Greeks don't even have their own name . The Romans most likely called the country Graecia and its people Graeci after encountering the ancient tribe . Back then the called themselves Yunan , Hellas , can't seem to make up their mind or identity . King Otto decided Greek and Greece a name for the Country will do . Macedonia was never part of Greece until 1913 bucharest accord , when Macedonia got divided into 4 parts . Macedonians divided , families divided . The word Macedonia was ban in greece 1920 , and southern macedonia was called northern Greece . It was forbiden to say the word . penalties applied . Everthing with the words Macedonia was destroyed even the tomb stones , churches were renamed ect:

There where 4 different Greek tribes/civilizations if you will, and each one was pushed further east by the later. So Trojans where in fact «Greek». «Ionians is the name of one of the four main ancient tribes or phyla, which were connected to each other through the use of the Ionian dialect which belonged to the Greek language. The other three were the Achaeans, the Dorians and the Aeolians. The Ionians lived partly on the peninsula of Attica, in the city-state of Athens, and partly they lived on several of the islands in the Greek archipelago and along the west coast of Asia Minor. They were known collectively as Greeks. According to semi-historical Greek legends, Ionia was colonized in the 6th century BC. of refugees from the Greek mainland who were driven out by Doric invasion in the heroic age and left Attica as the only European outpost of the Ionian people. The Athenians of the Attica peninsula were the only Ionians on the Greek mainland. The middle part of the Greek-speaking west coast of Asia Minor was called "Ionian" and the inhabitants outshined the other Asia Minor Greeks, the more southern Dorians and the northern Aeolians, to the extent that the other peoples of Asia Minor used the term "Ionians" (Assyrian "yamani ») about all Greeks. This is still the case to some extent. Greece and Greek are in Armenian "Hunastan" and "huyn", in Arabic Yūnān and "yūnāniyy" and in Hebrew "Yāwān" and "yəwānī" (and in that Bible called "javan").»

What's the name of Hector's wife and kid? His medium sister's ? Who 's Priamus nephew in Greek Army? When Trojans went to Sparta ( Paris met Helen) negotiations were on what dictionaries where used. You got this destruction of Crete when Thyra's volcano erupted while you've got quite a few cretan ships and army gathered and paid on their way to Ilion. Which is first in time. (ruined economy) Gathering money and sending ship and army into an expensive war? Croesus and Solon had a discussion I do believe we know the circumstances did they understand each other? Then you ve got Timaios by Plato

Great video and work like always!

I couldn't stand this intonation beyond 4 minutes.

What a bs propaganda nonsense!! You are lucky that you can read one of the first civil Hellenic wars!! The Greek Tribe of Troy was speaking Greek!! They believed in the same Greek gods!! Based on archeological and historical facts!!

There were some Thraicians living in the area, but they came later. The language must have been Phrygian or Greek. That prince Alaksandu clearly has either a Greek or Phrygian name. In Luwian, there can't be a name like Alaksandu. It should have started with Par- from the Luwian verb parāi - to defend, to protect.

Well trojans were greeks , and so were achaeans too , this war was literally a civil war pretty much (like almost any war in the greek realm for example Athens vs sparta) which its believed to be mostly for the Influence and the trade in the whole Agean and black sea , since Trojans were growing rapidly as a power , while achaeans were already a power

They were Thracians, also called Bulgarians and spoke an old form for Bulgarian. The Thracian language is Bulgarian. The runes found in Troya are identical to old Bulgarian runes. You may hate this but this is the only truth. Check on Wikipedia who the myrmidones of Achilles were ethnically and you would be surprised. There were no greeks in the Troyan war. The Troyan war was a war between Thracian tribes over hegemony of the Bosphorus and the trade routes. The Iliad is Thracian history much later translated (and probably modified)into greek. The Iliad just like the Mahabharata was orally transmitted in the beginning. The Troyans and the Aryans are genetically Thracians.

Alaksandu is definitely a Greek Name Not sure what the Luvian equivalent would be

O.k. Good work ! Βut why don't speaks for Minyes??? Μinyes are the proistoric Hellines-Pelasgi in 3000 b.H. and Horfeas written that the Argonauts are Minyes! Τhis is the real history of ancient Greeks.

Trojans. Greeks who were not commited to Greek states alliance (The NATO of this ancient era) . Commited to Persian empire. And the Alliace went against them. And then empire went against the Greeks.

They have not find the real Troy yet, they have find another ancient city, nothing more. Homer has hide very well the real Troy and ILIAD is History not a Poem. The Trojan War was a big disaster for Greeks not a victory as you believe.

...BC history is so very interesting!...

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Interesting, I'd always assumed that Troy was an Anatolian city related to the Hittites, and that all the commonalities with the Greeks implied in the Iliad were just literary devices. Reality seems a bit more... complex.

The last hypothesis is the most possible of them all, although the Tyrsenians were supposed to be the first Pelasgic inhabitants of Thessaly. Who wrote that they were from Lydia? I've never read of this. Also Etruscans weren't indigenous. Their pottery design has exceptional similarities to the ones that's been found in mainland Greece of the same era. This cannot be just a coincidence. I don't support the Indo-European theory in general. Nice video as always!

There is no evidence for the existence of Troy or of the Trojan War. At the time of the supposed events, around 1200 BCE, Hisarlik was right on the coast. The plain that you people argue conforms to Homer's fiction was under water!

I don't like Greek hoteps ruining everything. Trojans weren't Greeks this is just Greeks trying to take Anatolian Trojan culture

ALL who were speaking greek were Greeks and those who were not speaking greek were Barbarians (ie: not understandable). Homer, about the meetings of Acheans & Trojans describes EVERYTHING (ie: people present, their ancestors, the presents given etc) but no translators, because there weren't any! Trojians and Achaeans were both speaking greek. They also had the same gods, a key fact for the ancient greek nation. Archaeological finds show strong relations to mainland and island Greece; the same culture (one stamp from the East show commercial affairs). So, Trojans were Greeks, Homer describes the 1st greek civil war!

They spoke hungaryan

Obviously they spoke Latin I mean just read the Aeneid

luwian

They spoke Indo-European, which back then were not far changed from tribe to tribe. We all saw those doc videos

They spoke Greek Maybe you don’t like it but it was Greek